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It's easy enough for a westerner looking around at kimono to find sites and pictures of (upper class) kimono styles and (upper class) kimono fabrics and accounts of (upper class) kimono layers and how to tie an (upper class) obi. All of these center around the "formal" kimono, which restricts movement, eating, and possible activities in a way no sane person would accept day-to-day without some huge compensation. (I did mention the "upper class" thing, yes?)
What's harder is finding anything at all about what normal people wore, when the kimono was an actual item of clothing instead of a photo-op. So have some resources I've dug up, and a few keywords with which to search further.
Kimonoboy, a web store specializing in workers' clothing (aka "folk textiles", a framing I could really do without).
Database of Meiji photography set to the "search by keyword or category" page. Be cautious of the number of "rustic" photos which are actually posed (look for backdrops, makeup, very long sleeves, and elaborate hair).
Terms to search with:
Hippari. Hip-length wrapped top with straight or slightly tapered sleeves.
Mompe/monpei/try alternate spellings until you get what you want. Tapered pants, mid-calf to ankle length, sometimes have ties at the bottom. Basic construction is the same as hakama but they're far narrower with shorter ties.
Kosode. Searching this one is going to get you a lot of "traditional" hits, so try it in concert with one of the other terms. This is what most people think of as a kimono, anywhere from hip to ankle length, with short hanging sleeves. If it's made out of blue, green or brown cotton or hemp, you're looking at the right kind.
Maekake. Apron, very basic, quite common. You can see a few full length ones in the photos, but shorter ones are most common.
Kyahan. Leg wraps with ties at knee and ankle. You'll get a lot of hits from martial arts supply sites, in a rather different form.
Sodenashi. Sleeveless wrapped top. You can sometimes see "formal" versions of this worn loose or tied just in front, but if you see someone actually working in one it's generally going to be belted.
What's harder is finding anything at all about what normal people wore, when the kimono was an actual item of clothing instead of a photo-op. So have some resources I've dug up, and a few keywords with which to search further.
Kimonoboy, a web store specializing in workers' clothing (aka "folk textiles", a framing I could really do without).
Database of Meiji photography set to the "search by keyword or category" page. Be cautious of the number of "rustic" photos which are actually posed (look for backdrops, makeup, very long sleeves, and elaborate hair).
Terms to search with:
Hippari. Hip-length wrapped top with straight or slightly tapered sleeves.
Mompe/monpei/try alternate spellings until you get what you want. Tapered pants, mid-calf to ankle length, sometimes have ties at the bottom. Basic construction is the same as hakama but they're far narrower with shorter ties.
Kosode. Searching this one is going to get you a lot of "traditional" hits, so try it in concert with one of the other terms. This is what most people think of as a kimono, anywhere from hip to ankle length, with short hanging sleeves. If it's made out of blue, green or brown cotton or hemp, you're looking at the right kind.
Maekake. Apron, very basic, quite common. You can see a few full length ones in the photos, but shorter ones are most common.
Kyahan. Leg wraps with ties at knee and ankle. You'll get a lot of hits from martial arts supply sites, in a rather different form.
Sodenashi. Sleeveless wrapped top. You can sometimes see "formal" versions of this worn loose or tied just in front, but if you see someone actually working in one it's generally going to be belted.
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Date: 2010-06-13 08:37 pm (UTC)For other ideas (as I've forgotten what time frame you're looking at) I imagine also looking at China and Holland's fashions at the time might be worth it. I don't know if Europe would play a role in the steampunk world building for Japan, but they were the nearly exclusive trading partners. I could imagine that, at least dockside, you might get a little intermixing of fashions.
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Date: 2010-06-13 09:20 pm (UTC)Mostly I'm just trying to fix in my head what late Edo, early Meiji fashion was like historically, for all classes, so that I can proceed to gender-bend and class-bend in a suitably informed fashion.
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Date: 2010-06-14 08:43 am (UTC)This kinda makes me wish I had access to my old Japanese print/pattern collection. Given that the cloth can be kinda a pain in the wallet even here, you might be able to get away with buying a plain color and screen printing/dyeing the pattern on. Sadly, those books are back home in America.
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Date: 2010-06-14 04:10 pm (UTC)But yes! If even the blacksmiths were working essentially barefoot, I figure the engineers were likely SOL a lot of the time too. Definitely going for boots instead of geta.
I actually had some good luck in my vintage kimono shopping, and found a kimono in a really nice silk but a /very/ low-key navy and tan stripe pattern, which should class-cross nicely. It actually kind of bent my brain when I first saw it, because the sleeves and fabric say 'formal' but the pattern said 'everyday'.
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Date: 2010-06-14 10:53 pm (UTC)There's also the other summer wear that I CANNOT remember for the life of me...its like a kimono tunic with pants. I thought one of my students was wearing PJs but he was wearing something traditional.
The silk would likely not be used by someone working daily. Pain in the arse to keep clean and given that its production was limited...
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Date: 2010-06-14 10:55 pm (UTC)Samue...most of the ones I find have long pants, but they can be made with shorts and of lighter cloth, like cotton.
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Date: 2010-06-14 11:06 pm (UTC)I'm actually wanting the silk for steampunk purposes. One of the hallmarks of that fashion really seems to be mixing fabrics and styles and a certain blithe disregard for what kind of clothing would be /practical/ for sailing across the continent in a hot air balloon or messing around in a chemistry lab or tromping through harsh environments, urban and otherwise. It's much more performance art than recreation, which I find kind of appealing.
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Date: 2010-06-15 08:39 pm (UTC)I got nothing after that. Other than if you are going to buy an older kimono made of silk, I do recommend getting the under kimono to help save any cleaning costs.
...actually that could be your performance art with practicality right there. When things get interesting/hot, just take your arms out of the silk and let the top drape around your waist (ala samurai in some movies and modern day hoodies) and start working with your under-kimono taking the hits.