branchandroot | PoT: Challenge: Need

You just set Fuji up as the strongest player in the series... oh shit.

That's all I can say. Hell has broken loose.

Really, I did find that interesting about 220. The idea that Fuji is the strongest player in the series... isn't it an intriguing thought? What will be different, now, that Tezuka, Yukimura, Sanada, Atobe have someone to chase.... and it's someone who sometimes just doesn't give a damn?

Oh, you have me routing for TezuYuki now, you know. You're setting it ALL up perfectly. *HUGS* I need to go back to work, but you're doing splendidly. Thanks so much for the fic... I need it for breaks!

Yeah, it really caught my attention, too. It made more sense of him, to me, appealing to the idea that his not-caring has been a sort of safety mechanism that keeps him from going around the bend the way a lot of the strongest players seem to when they don't have any challenges to keep them busy. I've always thought that was part of why Tezuka wants Fuji to be serious; so that Tezuka will have another good challenge to keep him from going around the bend. But now Fuji's opened up, now he knows, what will it do to his game?

*lists in chair* Must go to bed. Anyway, glad you liked it!

The thing is, you're assuming Fuji isn't already around the bend. I think he's been and gone more than a few times - I bet he could lead a sight-seeing tour!!

In all seriousness, it would be fascinating, to have Fuji as the top of the TeniPuri world, with everyone after him. He'd hate it. He doesn't like attention (not really) and the ones who would be coming after him.... well, they DESERVES it more. Fuji is a tensai... the others WORK.

you're assuming Fuji isn't already around the bend

*coughs* Good point. I do think Fuji manages his own craziness pretty well, though. He limits his damage.

*thoughtful* The best thing for all of them would be for Fuji to finally come into a place where he does have to work. Where there are a handful of opponents who can actually make him fight for it. I think Tezuka could be one of them, and Yukimura another. (Though I'd feel better about that second if Konomi would just give us an example of Yukimura's play! *grrrr*) But that's always been Fuji's tragedy, to me; he's never known what it meant to strive for his goals. And he never risked going far enough to see if someone could make him, in tennis. I wonder if he'll be more dangerous, or less, now?

Definitely more. Nothing makes Fuji LESS dangerous.

I always thought that Sanada was actually more likely to be a better player than Yukimura - Yukimura was just more of a leader, but your portrayal of Yukimura has me reconsidering. Like Hyotei, the leader of Rikkai would have to be the best. *g* And if they call Sanada the Emperor, what does that make Yukimura? Kami-sama?

It's kinda sad when you think of it. The two best players on the circuit out of it... because face it. Tezuka is the best, because he's Konomi's favorite. We all know it. The only reason Atobe won was so Konomi could gracefully send him away.... (ever see

mildlyinsane's rant on the Marysueness of Ryoma, Tezuka and Atobe? It's to DIE for....)

And if they call Sanada the Emperor, what does that make Yukimura? Kami-sama?

*falls over laughing* Yes, probably! That was kind of what led me to write Yukimura this way, though. Konomi has established a very consistent precedent, that the captain is the strongest player on the team. In previous years that's been less true, but, within the same seniority range, the strongest takes the captain's hat. Ergo, Yukimura must be stronger than Sanada; which, at least, gives us something to look forward to for Nationals, but, yeah, we're getting into the demi-god range, at least.

*grins* I missed that one, I think. I'll go look for it.

You have to see it. It's to DIE for.

The captains philosophy does fail in Yamabuki and I think also Rokkaku - but those schools are a bit weird. Then again, all schools are a bit weird. I think the most normal school is Seigaku... it's the standard which other schools are spun off of.

Dare you to have someone call Yukimura Kami-sama. It fits so well into your universe. *giggles*

I'm not sure what to expect of nationals, since we're obviously going to be getting some new schools from other regions. I have the feeling we're a few YEARS from seeing the end of the manga. It's going to be anticlimatic when Seigaku wins, because Rikkai should have won there...

*shrugs* Well, I'm still not sure who won the Ryoma/Sanada match. The last I knew, it was still going on.

*cackles* Oh, that is good! And so very true.

You're right, those two do deviate. Rokkaku gives us a nice crack-explanation for it, though you have to wonder whether or not ojii really did intend to make Saeki captain. But Yamabuki... Sengoku isn't their captain, is he? By the normal calculation he should be, since only Akutsu is stronger and he's so totally nuts... well, it would be like making Fuji captain, in a lot of ways. But it's, um, Minami I think?

Dare you to have someone call Yukimura Kami-sama.

Oh. Oh, that gives me an idea. *evil grin* I think Ryouma and Niou are just the conversational partners to bring it about. Oh, this will be fun. *laughs madly and runs to start the next story*

Yes, it's one of the Jimmies. I figured it could be explained by him being in doubles, but Sengoku is the team's ace.

Of course, he's irresponsible as HELL, but...

Can't wait to see what you cook up. Ryoma and NIOU is a frightening pair. Now I'm really intrigued.

*hearts hearts*

he's never known what it meant to strive for his goals. And he never risked going far enough to see if someone could make him, in tennis.

Ditto. I'm sure we've had this conversation before, though I might have had imagined the whole thing. Fuji is brilliant, but it is tragic because of the reasons you've pointed out. Having painted Fuji as the most powerful player in PoT, the question is whether Konomi will continue to allow Fuji to be the Most Powerful. Because PoT is all about the evolution of character's tennis, and perhasps Fuji has come to the end of his evolution. (I relaly don't see anything else beyond blind tennis, but this is shounen sports...so -_-;;;).

Anyways, moving onto the fic. The way you made Yukimura the one to act as the catalyst. Perfect. Fuji need someone he can respects to tell him what is going on, and preferbly someone who is not close to him.

I love this fic. I really love this fic. I love the premise, I love the discussion (because it's so true, Tezuka would make Fuji play all out now that he knows Fuji had played seriously), and I love the fact that Fuji beat Yukimura.

LOVE!MORE!

(I relaly don't see anything else beyond blind tennis, but this is shounen sports...so

*facepalms* Boy, you can say that again. I do wonder what Konomi will do about Fuji. I think I'm going to make him keep going, but it'll take Tezuka and Yukimura both, the stubborn creature. Both the one who quietly leads by example and expectation, and the one who's willing to smack Fuji upside the head.

*beams* More coming. Some D2 that I owe Andrea, and then a nice team get-together for Rikkai and Seigaku. *snickers*

I do wonder what Konomi will do about Fuji.

He could always injure him. That would solve the problem quite neatly.

[wanders off]

Now here is a fic that can make you think.

Ever since we brought it up in the past posts - about Yukimura and Fuji and how they could get along - it's something that's really...well, it's eaten a significant part of my brain. Fuji is one of my favorite characters in the series because he's so mysterious but really not, at the same time. He's painted as an individual who is capable of doing extremely great things but also as someone who enjoys seeing the discomfort of others...he's lazy but not obviously so and he most certainly cares about others, although he doesn't show it...Ok, I'll get to the pont. I'm saying is that Fuji jasn't really come across a character who could really just bring it out of him in that way. Ryoma has to much attitude - Fuji just probably want to beat the crap out of him and get that done with. Tezuka hardly has any - Fuji probably thinks it isn't worth the effort and why deflate Tezuka's passion?

Yukimura - or Akaya, for that matter - are probably the best bets.

So much love for this part. ♥

*snugs* Yeah, Fuji's always held back with Tezuka, which, I firmly believe, must drive Tezuka absolutely nuts. Yukimura is both willing and able to be harsh enough, psychologically, to push Fuji to the limit, and skilled enough to make it work. *dotes on Sei-chan, extensively*

I have to say that I'm in love with your Yukimura and his relationships with his teammates. It's very interesting to have him explain to Fuji what it means to play his best. And I absolutely love that last line.

On another note, the thought of Niou and Fuji in a room together makes me want to cower in fear. Or run away screaming. ^^;

The thought of Fuji and Niou together THRILLS me. I wanna write it!!! Sadly, no time.... buried under other obligations. *pout*

*happy grin* Thank you!

*laughs* Yeah, you have to figure, only one of them would come out...

wait.... shit, shit... did... did Fuji just *beat* Yukimura at a full out match? I mean, really, honestly, Yuki playing his game to the max and pressing for more and more....? and Fuji *won*?

Oh... mother freaking shit....

I... {shakes head} Well, I don't know why I'm surprised, it's just... well, I'm sure we all suspect he *could* do it, if he was provoked, but... no one's ever really been able to provoke Fuji to that level, have they?

And, it's just... mind boggling, you know? 'Cause now *YOU'VE* upped the level, pushed him there, and I'm wondering wtf you're going to do about it now!!!!

Hn. The name of this series is 'Challenge' right? {grins} damn fine name, my dear. You've definitely tied the strings all back to the main knot quite nicely.

However, I must confess... now I wanna see something happen between Niou and Fuji---your fault for putting the image in my head! >.<

Heee. *huge grin*

Yepyep. That's the secret of rivalry, though. At the top bracket who wins can change from one week to the next; it's what keeps them fascinated with each other. No one is ever The Best for very long, and I think Fuji's about to find out why.

Hmmm. There just might be a little Niou-Fuji interaction a fic or two down the road. *innocent smile*

....

I love you....

{silly happy smile on her face}

I can't wait for more.

For some reason, I'm thinking weirdly of Yukimura as the mother figure who gives the 'talk' to Fuji. Sorry. Imagaination going wild.

Very nice development, especially in Fuji's case. It's fun to see him actually facing a mental difficulty his genius can't think him out of. Or something like that. And that he takes it seriously to ask Yukimura about it.

I'm intrigued that he beats Yukimura. The part about him being Tezuka's goal is understood, but what about this somehow enabling Yukimura to become even better? To quote the spectators in PoT: "My god, is this really (junior) high school tennis?!!"

Love the story. Thanks.

*happy* Thank you!

Yes, I want Fuji's match with Kirihara to have some significant result badly enough to write it myself and never mind what Konomi has planned. ^_^;

I'm intrigued that he beats Yukimura. The part about him being Tezuka's goal is understood, but what about this somehow enabling Yukimura to become even better? To quote the spectators in PoT: "My god, is this really (junior) high school tennis?!!"

That's exactly what I thought when I was reading. I can take that Fuji is good, no, excelent, but that doesn't mean he is better than Yukimura. Or, that Yukimura uncontiosly wasn't doing the same thing that Fuji used to do: restrain himself to give the other the chance to see what he could be. (here I am again, not making any sence)
And, after that, Yukimura isn't back for too long...his strengh isn't the same as before or as someone who is playing all this time he was in the hospital, so...after this game, he can improve much more, even more than Fuji, because used all his strengh as a tensai, and Yukimura can grow up yet. I mean, I believe Fuji using his real power can improve, but not so much, because that's his power, but the others can improve much more, because they are still growing up.
(I swear, after this, I'll stop to try to put my thoughts in words, because it's never works as it should work).

I mean, I believe Fuji using his real power can improve, but not so much, because that's his power, but the others can improve much more, because they are still growing up.

I think I get what you mean (unless I misunderstood what you said, in which case, sorry.) It's because Fuji's a genius, you mean? So he can be pushed to his limit, to play like the genius everyone said he is, but he can't break through the limit of being a genius, because (duh) that's him.

Was in a book Bujold wrote (I'm a big fan): "Perfection doesn't take risks with itself." (Or something like that.) Which may describe Fuji. But the others are not geniuses (prodigies I'll grant you) so it's possible for them to get better and better.

Oh, yeah! You understood exactly what I tryed to say ^_^

*sparkles madly at you* You read Bujold? Waaha! Another Lois fan! *glomps*

I'm in a problem of real desire here. I don't know what I really think. I mean, I like Fuji but he has been annoying latelly. I don't know why, but that's how I feel about him.

I know Fuji is a tensai, I know he can be a better player than Tezuka, but I don't think that he already is. Even if he really gives his best.

I understood what Yukimura did and why (even though I totally dislike him loosing to Fuji), but in my mind, he isn't good enough to surpass Tezuka or Yukimura. Maybe, not even Atobe. Ok, maybe now, that Tezuka and Yukimura were off for sometime (and a couple of months have a lot of importance in someone ability...even though they aparently are back to normal), but what I saw was a Yukimura who gave his not-so-best, or should I say his aparently-best. I mean, he wanted some real reaction from Fuji and he played 'real' since the beginning, but deep inside him, he could uncontiously helding back.
It doesn't make any sense, I know, but that's because I can't find English words to explain what's inside my mind, and what I saw when I was reading. Geeez, sometimes I hate not speak English fluently.

Well, let's see what'll happen next. Maybe the great problem is that I can't suport the idea of some guy of Seigaku being better and stronger than Tezuka (or Yukimura or Atobe). I have a twisted vison of the reality sometimes, and I need things to ajust into my previous thoughts.

No, no, that all made sense!

In some ways I very much agree. I think it all depends on whether Fuji can get motivated or not. Because that's why the others are so strong, why they can advance in such crazy ways--they're completely motivated and focused on their goal. Fuji hasn't had that, to date. He's been incredibly talented, but lazy. When Yukimura said he was a bully, he wasn't kidding; that's what Fuji has been. Basing this off the manga, I like to think that Fuji is having an awakening; I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. As of current manga-time, I think he's gone as far as he can with pure talent, and that has taken him to just above the current level of Tezuka/Yukimura/Atobe. What will really decide whether he takes his place among the very best or not will be whether he can really take hold of a soul-deep desire to play the game and win, just for the excellence of the game itself. If he can't... Yukimura and Tezuka and Atobe will pass him, because they will have the motive to advance and Fuji won't.

Of course, that's one of the reasons I'm letting Yukimura deliver the wake-up call. I don't think Tezuka could; Fuji wouldn't hear it from him. Yukimura has a better chance, I think.

I love finding Fujifics that are...different. Unique. I enjoyed this one.

*pleased* Good to hear!

The mere idea of Fuji teaming up with Niou scares the piss out of me... the thought that they could--well, Niou probably could, anyway--talk Yagyuu into joining them makes me want to hide under my bed with the killer dust bunnies.

My terror aside, though, I've got to say that it's about darn time that *some*one talked some sense into Fuji's head. What's the point of playing if you aren't going to give it everything you have? That's the entire point of PoT, or one of them at least--if you do something, you do it with everything you have, and if you win, that's no excuse not to keep working, and if you lose, it's not dishonorable if you gave it your all, and you need to work harder. Fuji, until this point, *has* been a bully--how many times in the series have we seen him deliberately drop games against Tezuka and toy with his opponents? The only person I can really think of whom he has played seriously has been Ryouma...

Meh, I'm rambling.

LoveloveLOVE this, darling. [snoodles]

My terror aside, though, I've got to say that it's about darn time that *some*one talked some sense into Fuji's head. What's the point of playing if you aren't going to give it everything you have? That's the entire point of PoT, or one of them at least

I'd just like to add that *this* is what makes shonen sports manga so popular. On paper, it sounds so cliched, but that's exactly what the Japanese (and most of us) think the spirit of true sportsmanship should be, and they (sort of) frown on geniuses that don't want to give their all. Which is why we adore the players even when they lose, because you can see that they go all out and give it everything they've got.

Ex-actly! Which is why I really think Konomi must be planning to rehabilitate Fuji, too. I mean, he's done it for everyone else.

That's one of the things that fascinates me about PoT--the prevalence of geniuses and prodigies, and all the many and varied ways they find to cope with their talent inside their culture.

*perplexed* Well, I was going to let Fuji and Niou actually play each other, but Yagyuu came all over protective. *shrugs* Oh, well, we still get a nice little clash.

*nods* I'll give this to Fuji: he only gets vicious when he's protecting or avenging someone. Still, he does need a good thwap, and Yukimura has enough of a cold streak to deliver it. *pets Sei-chan*

*wallows in the love*

Awwwww, protective Yagyuu! [melts]

[waits for ficness]

Holy [CENSORED]! O_O

*wibble* Fuji beat Yukimura.

No, wait. He didn't. Not if I squint just so. Yukimura won like WOAH, even if it cost him a game of tennis! Clever, obsessive buchou that he is. :D

I agree with others here; Fuji couldn't have found his answer within his own team. He had to step outside the box and get help, and I'll give him a cookie for being bright enough and (for once) uncontraty enough to actually do it.

Of course, running off to play with other buchous than Tezuka's GOT to be worth at least fifty laps. Maybe even a hundred. ;P

*laughing* I didn't even plan it, really, it just happened. Part of the general Fuji-torture of this arc, I think. Now he's got to be serious. But, yeah, I think they both won this one, with an edge to Yukimura for out-plotting a Fuji.

Of course, running off to play with other buchous than Tezuka's GOT to be worth at least fifty laps. Maybe even a hundred. ;P

*snickers* Oh, it's worth more than that, when Fuji finally plays a serious game against Tezuka and shows what he's learned. But that didn't get written until much later.

PoT: Challenge: Need

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good, good development

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Fuji reaching his limit

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aha, now you're talking shonen manga!

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