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[personal profile] branchandroot
Written by a religious cynic; read at your own risk.

1) What religion, spirituality, or belief system were you raised in? I was raised by a fallen away Catholic and a non-practicing Methodist, both of whom believed more in meditation than in religion. Until I was about twelve. Then they both hied themselves back to the Catholic church, something for which I have still not entirely forgiven the particular priest who was the cause. I spent the next six or eight years carefully not listening to readings that would infuriate me and being glad when the hymns were in Latin, which I didn't speak.

2) Do you subscribe to the same belief system now? If not, what do you believe/identify with now? Insofar as I am somewhere around an empirical agnostic or a relaxed atheist, yeah I guess it kind of did stick. I did go through a practicing Wiccan period but pretty much gave that up when every single organized form failed my litmus test of not being a basic description of the inside of my own head every day. (This is a frequent problem with me and spirituality of all kinds; all the "special reaching beyond states" seem to me to be not particularly special at all and not a descriptor of anything but my own brain.) Besides, I'm not big into useless symbolism. You want to cleanse a ritual space? Get a freaking mop and bucket.

3) Is belonging to an organized religious community important to you? Why nor why not? Rather the reverse. Given the bad effects I have observed to arise from pretty much every organized form of religion I have encountered, it's kind of important to me not to. I'm always up for a really good drumming circle, but that's about as organized as I want to get near.

4) Have you read any holy texts? (Of your faith or another). Have they had/do they have any impact on your worldview? In what way? Rather more of them than the great majority of practitioners I have known. This trend has been demonstrated frequently enough to really quite worry me. I can't say that they changed my worldview much, but then I'm really big on historical context in my reading and that tends to dump a lot of salt on most of those texts. Besides, they are uniformly bigoted and undesirably hierarchical, even when they're trying not to be. As for the explicitly "progressive" pagan texts? Don't get me started on cultural appropriation without context, or we're gonna have to talk about Kali and it isn't gonna be pretty.

5) Do you participate in any spiritual rituals? (Eg: prayer, religious services, nonsecular holidays, etc). *thinks* I still put no-cop spells on my cars? I try to circulate my energy properly when I'm walking to work? I talk to my trees? I think that's about it.

Date: 2011-10-14 05:08 pm (UTC)
recessional: a woman's hand touching the ground (personal; a little birdie told me)
From: [personal profile] recessional
Get a freaking mop and bucket.

You mean this isn't always automatically the first step? (Granted, in my case it's a vacuum, but that's because my condo is carpeted . . . )

Date: 2011-10-14 06:06 pm (UTC)
recessional: a woman's hand touching the ground (personal; a little birdie told me)
From: [personal profile] recessional
That was something even the most fluffy people I knew agreed about: if a space needed to be clean, it needed to be physically clean first.

Granted, there's all kinds of stuff you can do without cleansing; as one of my more earthy teachers put it, sometimes you have to defend a pig-sty, and if so, it's a waste of time to try to clean up the pig-muck first. But yeah.

Date: 2011-10-14 05:19 pm (UTC)
annotated_em: cross-section of a lemon (Default)
From: [personal profile] annotated_em
*snerks* Yeah, I saw this going around and basically, growl.

Date: 2011-10-14 05:59 pm (UTC)
annotated_em: cross-section of a lemon (Default)
From: [personal profile] annotated_em
Rather. *rueful* I have such a kneejerk response to a lot of religious/spiritual stuff that when I saw these and briefly considered responding, I had to shake myself back into common sense. Really, I have no need to start a flame war this afternoon.

Date: 2011-10-14 08:28 pm (UTC)
kenllama: llama, with caption "I feel pretty" (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenllama
::Really, I have no need to start a flame war this afternoon.::

Well done ;) Your discipline and foresight are to be commended!

Date: 2011-10-15 12:29 am (UTC)
annotated_em: cross-section of a lemon (Default)
From: [personal profile] annotated_em
I expect it has more to do with intrinsic laziness: I'm really not in the mood to wrangle a flame war.

Date: 2011-10-14 08:32 pm (UTC)
anehan: Elizabeth Bennet with the text "sparkling". (Default)
From: [personal profile] anehan
Alas. I would have read your answers with interest. The prospect of a flame war probably rather puts a damper on any desire to write (rant?) about religion, though.

Date: 2011-10-15 12:30 am (UTC)
annotated_em: cross-section of a lemon (Default)
From: [personal profile] annotated_em
It does, yeah. I mean, religion makes me cranky for a lot of reasons, and I can be downright offensive when I'm cranky, and there's no call to go stepping on people's toes just to satisfy a meme.

Date: 2011-10-15 02:49 am (UTC)
kaigou: sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness. (2 flamethrowers)
From: [personal profile] kaigou
As an ex once said, "there's a reason they call it organized religion, and it's not that much different from why they call it organized crime."

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